Return-Path: Received: from imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.69] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP id 618967 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:42:33 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.152.59.69; envelope-from=sqpilot@bellsouth.net Received: from [209.214.44.32] by imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with ESMTP id <20050124054200.EJTW2069.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@[209.214.44.32]> for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:42:00 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.7.2]); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:41:56 -0600 Message-ID: <002101c501d7$689d8fc0$202cd6d1@paul52u7f5qyav> From: "Paul" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: flex plate Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:41:53 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-41F48AA40232=======" --=======AVGMAIL-41F48AA40232======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C501A5.1DD11340" ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C501A5.1DD11340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageHi, Chuck....thank you, thank you, and thank you. Your very = detailed explanation now has me understanding both the various parts = needed/not needed and the differences between the auto and standard = systems. I have removed the standard transmission flywheel. I now = realize that I can discard it. Thanks again. Paul Conner ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chuck=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 11:16 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: flex plate I ran a Ross drive for 200 hours before switching to Tracy's, maybe I = can help. My Ross came with an aluminum wheel with a ring gear for = starting. It sounds like you may be missing this part. This Ross wheel = bolted to a counterweight from an automatic, and the triangular spring = "dampener" (made from a clutch plate) attached to the aluminum Ross = wheel. Tracy's unit uses the same counterweight, but uses the stock automatic = flex plate, the lightweight 3 pound unit. The manual transmission cars used a heavy flywheel with ring gear for = starting and this had the counterweight built in. The automatic transmission cars used a separate flex plate and a = separate counterweight, maybe 7 inches diameter and 10 pounds if I = recall. The torque converter bolted to the flex plate and made up the = rotating mass for the flywheel effect, that why the flex plate can be so = light. If you have the heavy manual flywheel, I think you will have to remove = it with the big nut and install the automatic counterweight and a Ross = flywheel. You don't need that big heavy flywheel anyway. Hope this helps Chuck Dunlap RV6 13B cruising past 400 hours ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Russell Duffy=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: flex plate Thanks, Ed. I have to admit that I am still not certain that I = understand everything I need to know about the flex plates, etc. =20 Hi Paul, Maybe I'm missing something, but why do you need to know anything = about flex plates for your engine swap? Aren't you going to install the = Ross drive on the new engine? If so, wouldn't you also move the Ross = drive plate (with the springs) and or flex plate at the same time? I = just don't see why you need anything new. =20 Rusty Hey, Rusty....yes, I would install the Ross drive on the new = engine, along with the Ross drive plate that has the springs. I just = thought if I had the proper flex plate, it would be an easier engine = swap if I just have to remove and reinstall that triangular looking = plate with the springs. I understand that is the drive plate. What the = heck is the flex plate....are we talking about the cast iron flywheel? = That is harder to exchange, because of that large 2 1/8" nut . If I = just have to remove and reinstall the triangular Ross drive plate that = has the springs, and it will bolt onto the flywheel of the standard = transmission engine, then I am all set. Paul Conner -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: = 1/21/2005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/2005 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C501A5.1DD11340 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi, Chuck....thank you, thank you, and = thank=20 you.  Your very detailed explanation now has me understanding both = the=20 various parts needed/not needed and the differences between the auto and = standard systems.  I have removed the standard transmission = flywheel. =20 I now realize that I can discard it.  Thanks again.  Paul=20 Conner
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chuck
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 = 11:16=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: flex = plate

I=20 ran a Ross drive for 200 hours before switching to Tracy's, maybe I = can help.=20 My Ross came with an aluminum wheel with a ring gear for starting. It = sounds=20 like you may be missing this part. This Ross wheel bolted to a = counterweight=20 from an automatic, and the triangular spring "dampener" (made from a = clutch=20 plate) attached to the aluminum Ross wheel.
Tracy's unit uses the same counterweight, but uses the stock = automatic=20 flex plate, the lightweight 3 pound unit.
The=20 manual transmission cars used a heavy flywheel with ring gear for = starting and=20 this had the counterweight built in.
The=20 automatic transmission cars used a separate flex plate and a separate=20 counterweight, maybe 7 inches diameter and 10 pounds if I recall. = The=20 torque converter bolted to the flex plate and made up the rotating = mass for=20 the flywheel effect, that why the flex plate can be so=20 light.
If=20 you have the heavy manual flywheel, I think you will have to remove it = with=20 the big nut and install the automatic counterweight and a Ross = flywheel. You=20 don't need that big heavy flywheel anyway.
 
Hope=20 this helps
 
Chuck Dunlap
RV6=20 13B cruising past 400 hours
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Russell=20 Duffy
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Sunday, January 23, = 2005 10:38=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = flex=20 plate

Thanks, Ed.  I have to = admit that=20 I am still not certain that I understand everything I need to know = about=20 the flex plates, etc.   
 
Hi = Paul,
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but why do = you need to=20 know anything about flex plates for your engine swap?  Aren't = you=20 going to install the Ross drive on the new = engine?  If so,=20 wouldn't you also move the Ross drive plate (with the=20 springs) and or flex plate at the same time?  I = just don't=20 see why you need anything new.  =20
 
Rusty
 
Hey, Rusty....yes, I would install the = Ross drive=20 on the new engine, along with the Ross drive plate that has the=20 springs.  I just thought if I had the proper flex plate, it = would be=20 an easier engine swap if I just have to remove and reinstall that=20 triangular looking plate with the springs.  I understand that = is the=20 drive plate.  What the heck is the flex plate....are we = talking about=20 the cast iron flywheel?  That is harder to exchange, because = of that=20 large 2 1/8" nut .  If I just have to remove and reinstall = the=20 triangular Ross drive plate that has the springs, and it will bolt = onto=20 the flywheel of the standard transmission engine, then I am all = set. =20 Paul Conner
 

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