Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #15848
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: 12:1 vs 1:1 Pressure Regulation
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:00:15 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>, <prvt_pilot@yahoo.com>
 
Steve, Here is what I was referring to from an on-line source.  Flow Q is equal to some constant K (depends on shape and size of orifice) time the square root of the pressure P.  So if you were getting 10 gph fuel flow at 40 psi then increasing the fuel pressure to 45 psi (assuming K = 1 for simplicity) would give you an increase of 10 ghp + sqrt(5) = 10 + 2.23 = 12.23 GPH.  If you went from 40 to 96 psi then 10 + sqrt(96-40) = 10 + sqrt(56) = 10 + 7.48 = 17.48 gph.  So if this calculation is correct then there is not as much a fuel flow increase using the 12:1 ratio as you might initially think.  I expect the big boost (perhaps > 15 psi) may be the ones that need the 12:1 ratio regulator.
 
 But, in any case, I only raised it as perhaps a topic of interest to those who are involved/interested in turbocharging.  Signing off on the topic.
 
Ed A
 

Flow through Orifices

Using the conservation of energy described earlier it is possible to describe the discharge of water through the orifice. To simplify the determination of flow from individual sprinklers, the discharge coefficient is lumped with the constant and the orifice diameter as follows:

Where Q is in gallons per minute, K is the K-factor and P i s in psi. The K-factor is determined by testing laboratories for each sprinkler model. A sprinkler is flowed at a large range of pressures from a fairly large reservoir. The discharge is measured and a value of K is determined at each pressure, the average of all the K's at different pressures is the K-factor. In the 1970's the idea of taking into account velocity pressures effect on water flow was introduced. However, the difference in predicted water flow is small when compared to the differences occurred when choosing different Hazen-Williams C-factors. Therefore, in the United States, it is still general practice to let the design engineer decide if he is going to calculate the effects of velocity pressure[8]

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Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 11:22 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 12:1 vs 1:1 Pressure Regulation

Ed,
Assuming that most turbo users are limiting boost to 8-10 lbs maximum, that would be a pretty high fuel pressure.
 
Assuming 8 lbs of boost @ 12 psi fuel pressure increase per lb of boost, that would be an increase of 96 lbs (8*12), on top of a static (0) fuel pressure of 38 lbs, that would be a whopping 134 lbs of fuel pressure  if I understand your message correctly.  That seems pretty high, and I don't know that the injector seal would hold up to that.
 
I'm using the Aeromotive regulator, since I had trouble with the Mallory.  It, as you stated is a 1:1 ratio of adjustment.  I don't have a panel mounted fuel pressure gauge, but I do have a sender installed which I can attach an analog gauge to for testing, and also for the day I put in an EM-2.  With a 38 lb static fuel pressure, the fuel pressure at an idle was down to about 20 lbs.  It did go up with boost, but being on the ground, it was hard to get an exact reading on the gauge.  It responds kind of slow, and I was also watching where I was going, more so than watching the gauge.  It did look like about 40 something lbs at a 5 lb boost setting.
 
I'm still running rich at low RPM's, but in flight, the mixtures are good.
 
Steve Brooks
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 10:32 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] 12:1 vs 1:1 Pressure Regulation

Here is some food for thought for you turbo folks.  Most of the pressure referenced fuel regulators regulate the fuel rail pressure on a 1:1 ratio with the manifold pressure change.  In other words if the manifold pressure changes 1psi (2" HG) the fuel pressure changes 1 psi.  This increase does of course increase the rate at which the fuel will flow through the injector.  However, the flow rate changes on the order of the   square root of the pressure increase (as best I recall).  This means if you double your fuel pressure you Do NOT double your fuel flow.  
 
With higher boost pressures the preferred regulation ratio is like 12:1 or 12 psi for each psi of manifold pressure.  Not certain that for the lower boost levels being used in aircraft whether this is really significant - but, just though I would pass this on in case anyone wants to investigate it further or comment.
 
BLOX FMUs
BLOX FMUs
The Blox fuel management unit is designed to increase the fuel pressure as the pressure in the intake manifold increases. The Blox FMU is a universally design product with a 12:1 fixed ratio. The FMU is used on fuel injected vehicles, either supercharged or turbocharged, using the factory electronic engine management system. Blox FMU's are available in blue, red, gold and gun metal
 
Ed
 
 
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
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