Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.102] (HELO ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP id 618210 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:01:15 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.102; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-185-127.carolina.rr.com [24.74.185.127]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j0ND0bkd004856 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:00:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001e01c5014b$d7540570$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Pressure Regulator? Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:02:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C50121.EE38DE20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C50121.EE38DE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Ed, There is one more thing to think about in your system. Return = restriction. If you have a powerful fuel pump, one that is a bit higher = output than the one intended for the pressure regulator, there may be = too much restriction in the return line to the tank to lower the = pressure. The regulator opens the valve, but the pump overwhelms the = ability of the return line to get the fuel back to the tank. In the old "dribble" style injectors like the old Hilborne mechanical = systems the top end mixture was set by fuel pressure. A return jet to = the tank was sized backward to normal for mixture. A larger jet lowered = the return pressure and leaned the WOT mixture. Obviously the top was = made richer with a smaller jet. You may have a situation where your = return line is like a smaller jet. Since you are showing higher fuel = pressure than Buly the logic still works. Since your pressure isn't = extrodinarily high and you injectors are time rather than pressure based = your system would still run fine. So long as the pressure wasn't so high = as to prevent the injectors from closing the engine would run OK. Hope = this might help. Bill Jepson=20 I agree with your assessment, Bill. I found the specs on the Pressure = regulator and they state it flows 8 - 10.5 GPH. I assume that is = referring to return flow. Which brings up the question if my pump puts = out 45 GPH at 40 psi it would seem that a return flow of 10.5 GPH might = be inadequate to regulate pressure - but, I am not certain how much = effect on pressure that flow would have. I know that with no-flow (no = pressure regulator) the pressure goes up to 80 psi - so does the return = flow of 10.5 gph represent that required to bring it down to my nominal = 40 psi? Don't know. Your assessment, plus Rusty's observation that the pressure regulator = might only respond to positive boost pressure might well be on the = money. I do know that the turbo version is simply the non-reference = version with a screw/tube which is connected to manifold hose, so it = might not be responding to low manifold pressures as expected. I think the only way to go is to try a different brand - perhaps one = like Bullents that does appear to respond to different manifold = pressure. OR simply keep on flying as I have for the past 260+ hours {:>) Appreciate you insight Ed A ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C50121.EE38DE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
Ed, = There is one more=20 thing to think about in your system. Return restriction. If you have a = powerful fuel pump, one that is a bit higher output than the one = intended for=20 the pressure regulator, there may be too much restriction in the = return line=20 to the tank to lower the pressure. The regulator opens the valve, but = the pump=20 overwhelms the ability of the return line to get the fuel back to the=20 tank.
In the old "dribble" style injectors like the old Hilborne = mechanical=20 systems the top end mixture was set by fuel pressure. A return jet to = the tank=20 was sized backward to normal for mixture. A larger jet lowered the = return=20 pressure and leaned the WOT mixture. Obviously the top was made richer = with a=20 smaller jet.  You may have a situation where your return line is = like a=20 smaller jet. Since you are showing higher fuel pressure than Buly the = logic=20 still works. Since your pressure isn't extrodinarily high and you = injectors=20 are time rather than pressure based your system would still run fine. = So long=20 as the pressure wasn't so high as to prevent the injectors from = closing the=20 engine would run OK. Hope this might help.
Bill Jepson
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I agree with your assessment, = Bill.  I=20 found the specs on the Pressure regulator and they state it flows 8 - = 10.5=20 GPH.  I assume that is referring to return flow.  Which = brings up=20 the question if my pump puts out 45 GPH at 40 psi it would seem that a = return=20 flow of 10.5 GPH might be inadequate to regulate pressure - but, I am = not=20 certain how much effect on pressure that flow would have.  I know = that=20 with no-flow (no pressure regulator) the pressure goes up to 80 psi - = so does=20 the return flow of 10.5 gph represent that required to bring it down = to my=20 nominal 40 psi?  Don't know.
 
Your assessment, plus Rusty's = observation that=20 the pressure regulator might only respond to positive boost pressure = might=20 well be on the money.  I do know that the turbo version is simply = the=20 non-reference version with a screw/tube which is connected to manifold = hose,=20 so it might not be responding to low manifold pressures as = expected.
 
I think the only way to go is to try a = different=20 brand - perhaps one like Bullents that does appear to respond to = different=20 manifold pressure.
OR simply keep on flying as I have for = the past=20 260+ hours {:>)
 
Appreciate you insight
 
Ed A
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