Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #15816
From: Jim Sower <canarder@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel Pump Load
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:45:54 -0600
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>, Cozy Builders Mailing List <Cozy_Builders@mailman.qth.net>
<... fuse/breaker is there to protect the wire ...>
Agreed

<... wire MUST be large enough to handle all the loads connected to it - plus a "fudge" factor of about 10 - 30% ...>
MUST is key here.  10% - 30% "fudge" factor becomes 30% - 50% if we are unsure of *precise* loads (which is almost always the case).  Also, using the higher safety factor will reduce line losses to a manageable level

<...If fuse is too big for the wire, the wire will protect the fuse ...>
But only the wire is too small for the circuit - which can happen only if you select wire that is so small that although it will [juuust] carry the load, you will incur unacceptable line losses.

<... A #6 wire will carry about 54A - up to *33 feet* - without an excessive rise in temperature (35*C over ambient).  A #4 wire will carry up to 72A under the same conditions ...>

My B+ is under FOUR feet.  IIRC we are supposed to size wire to reduce line losses.  Your 54A for 33 ft example would involve an unacceptable voltage drop in the line.

I think your example is a little specious ... Jim S.


Dale Rogers wrote:

Wendell Voto <jwvoto@itlnet.net> wrote:

 

Okay,  I'm conviced, I'll go for 100% over rated current draw.
   



Wendell,

  You are on the verge of being a victim of over-simplification.  I'll try to be as succinct as possible and still cover the important considerations.

  Rule number 1: The fuse/breaker is there to protect the wire.  If too much current is pushed through the wire, it will melt.  You don't want that to happen.

  Rule number 2: The wire MUST be large enough to handle all the loads connected to it - plus a "fudge" factor of about 10 - 30%.  Remember: larger wire == more weight, so you want to keep your wire sizes pretty close to the actual loads they'll be carrying. Over on one of the canard lists, someone put up a chart of how much current each wire size will carry.  Probably Aeroelectric has a similar chart.   Rule number 3: If your fuse is too big for the wire, the wire will protect the fuse.  You don't want that to happen.

  Here's an example of how to pick your wire/fuse combination:

The maximum output of the alternator is 65 Amps.  A #6 wire will carry about 54A - up to 33 feet - without an excessive rise in temperature (35*C over ambient).  A #4 wire will carry up to 72A under the same conditions.

Since your worst-case normal operation only passes 65A - and is usually a lot less - a 70A breaker should never trip unless something is seriously awry, yet still trip before your wire gets too hot from a short. Hope this is some help.
Dale R.
COZY MkIV #1254



 

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