Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #15780
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Manifold-Reference Fuel Pressure
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:56:48 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel Injector Sizing
I agree, Al.  With the NA engine its not a major concern - with a turbo, it would be a different story.  Early on I wondered about it, but after it did the same thing when I changed the pressure regulator, I just stopped viewing it as a problem - since it did not appear to affect the reliable running of the engine.
 
My manifold pressure gauge and fuel pressure regulator are off the same manifold line and the manifold gauge shows that there is vacuum in the line.  I suspect that this fuel pressure regulator may be too small to effectively handle manifold pressure fluctuations.  I recall reading somewhere that it had a maximum return rate of something like 9-10 GPH which with our higher pressure/volume pumps may be simply causing the return flow to choke and stop the regulating process. 
 
Guess I'll have to change make of pressure regulator and see what that shows.  That's what's great about this list - always something to learn and someone (or many) will have a rational and sensible suggestion about the solution.
 
Ed A
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Gietzen
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:36 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Manifold-Reference Fuel Pressure

Subject: [FlyRotary] Manifold-Reference Fuel Pressure was [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel Injector Sizing

 

I agree with your statement, Buly.  Ideally if the pressure differential between fuel rail and manifold is kept constant by use of a manifold reference then that would imply that the fuel pressure should vary to compensate for different manifold pressure.  However, my fuel pressure is rock steady and this is the second manifold-referenced fuel pressure regulator I have used with no difference.

 

Ed;

 

I’d say it is clear that your FPR is not functioning properly; although the problem may not be in the pressure regulator.  You may want to check to make sure the manifold pressure (vacuum) is really being seen at the regulator.

 

The fact that the fuel pressure does not change with MP is not a big issue for NA engine. The idea of MP referencing of the fuel pressure came with super/turbo charging; the purpose is to keep the pressure differential across the injector nozzle from getting too low as the boost went up.  It is an issue with the EC2 because the default mixture mapping is set up for MAP referenced fuel pressure. 

 

I did all the dyno runs with my engine without MAP reference; fixed at 40 psi.  This was before I knew that the EC2 was set up for MAP referenced FP for NA application.  It worked fine except it was difficult to get things lean enough at idle.

 

With my current MAP referenced FPR and one fuel pump running, I have about 41 psi fuel pressure with a MAP of 30”, and about 31-32 psi at a MAP of 11-12”.  So that’s about a 9 psi change in MAP resulting in about 9 psi change in fuel pressure.  Keeps the pressure differential that the injector sees constant.  With both FPs running, the fuel pressure is a couple psi higher.

 

It was interesting yesterday; I ran the engine until the fuel tank was empty.  I watched the FP as the pump started to suck air.  I turned the mixture knob up as the FP started to drop. The engine continued to run at low power until pressure got down to about 9 psi.

 

Al

 

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