Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #13438
From: rijakits <rijakits@cwpanama.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: (unshrouded plug ?)required wrench
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:26:43 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
 
Anyone familiar with the old Jacobs Electronic Ignition systems (Ultra Team)?
It used to be only thing that kept my oil and fuel guzzling Suzuki alive! If I changed back for the factory ignition the engine would start to run on 3 cylinders in a very short time (2 min).
Jacobs claimed that his system used the sparkplug as a " in cylinder"-sensor and that the computer in the system would adjust the spark on the fly.
 
This way the voltage went way up for "ignition" :) and then was reduced according to the requirements in the cylinder, so as to avoid over current and too hot a spark. In his book " The Doctors guide to electronic ignition" he mentions, that a spark can be too intensive and actually blow out a recently ignited flamekernel. We are talking about the stage BEFORE the little fireball reaches a diameter of 2mm, from where on it is considered a stable combustion. Until that point things are not certain at all and missfires occure in this stage.
He also mentions that it would be a breakthrough if it would be possible to have a sparkplug gap of 2 mm to start the kernel at that stable diameter, however at that gap the voltage would have to be so high, it would be impossible to isolate the ignition parts in the confines of a engine or engine room...
 
Jacobs sold the company (it is still called Jacobs though...), but as far as I understand their systems use multiple spark now (like MSD).
I imagine this kind of system would be great for the rotary as the environment in the combustion area changes a lot and worse than piston engines.
 
Does anyone know if there is a similar system on the market (using the plug as a sensor and adjusting the spark accordingly?)
 
Thomas J.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Dube
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:15 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: (unshrouded plug ?)required wrench


They should work fine.  I just felt that for a system set up for maximum spark power, I didn't want to have a big resistance in the plug.  I have no idea whether you would ever notice the difference.  I expect Paul Yaw would.

        The resistor is there as a "ballast" to limit the peak current. You need high voltage to strike the arc, but once the arc has formed, the resistance across it is low and it takes very little voltage to sustain it. Without the resistor in the plug, very high current flows, eroding the electrode and shortening the life of the plug. Also, the high current produces a high magnetic field, causing radio interference.

        The resistor also helps to increase the duration of the spark. There is a fixed amount of energy stored in the coil for each spark. Without the resistor, a high current flows. The energy is then quickly spent, resulting in a shorter spark duration.

        Additionally, you can "burn out" some types of spark plug wires by using non-resistor spark plugs. The wire can't handle the extra current and goes open-circuit.

        Most cars have "magnetic suppression" type spark plug wire these days. It is a long coil of thin wire wrapped around insulating fibers. It acts as an inductor in the circuit. This tends to make the current much more constant during each spark.

        With electronic ignition, it is not uncommon to have both magnetic suppression wire AND resistor plugs. They act in concert to limit peak current, to smooth out the average current, and to reduce radio (and computer) interference.

        If the coils and ignition control module you have selected were designed to use magnetic suppression wires and resistor plugs, you would probably be smart in continuing to use these type plugs and wires. The higher peak current from non-resistor plugs can also damage the coil or ICM if they are not designed for that use.

        Just my eight cents. :^)

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