Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #10802
From: Russell Duffy <13brv3@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Engine run
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:47:30 -0500
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Message

At about 2000 I adjusted mixture from too lean to too rich, and nowhere does it smooth out completely

I'm with Dave on this one.  You want the smoothest MAP source possible, and that will mean connecting all 3 ports, or perhaps just finding the one that works best.  I'm still working on this too.  On my latest intake, controller A would run fine (using a port on one of the TWM barrels), but controller B wouldn't run below about 2000 rpm (using the other port on the TWM).  I connected the two ports with a T, and not both idle just the same, which may not be as smooth as A was before I joined the lines.  Eventually, I'll get around to tying both controllers to one TWM port at a time. 
 
Another odd thought I had was to possibly put a small vacuum reservoir in the MAP port line, for the purpose of smoothing out the pulses some. 

Of course it brings back the recent discussions of you other guys with the 550 injectors in the primary.

I'm currently running four (blissfully matched) 525 MSD injectors, and I believe they'll idle OK, if I ever get the MAP port straightened out.  In the previous version, I was using 550 injectors as primaries, and tried 460 injectors to see if they would help the idle.  They made no improvement at all.   On the current setup, I lowered the fuel pressure from 42 to 36 psi (engine off), and that probably more than made up for the larger injectors.    

At 2000 I’m seeing a 13.1 MAP reading.  Seems low to me.  Is it?

I'm sure I see similar numbers. 

 That puts it below the stage point, yet when I turned off the primary injectors, it continued to run; just rougher.  Same effect turning off the secondaries.

Are you surprised that it continued to run?  The EC-2 knows that you turned off a pair of injectors, and compensates with the others as necessary.  In other words, if you turn off the primaries, below the staging point, the EC-2 will turn on the secondaries (which were previously off).  Turning off the secondaries below the staging point shouldn't do anything, since they weren't on anyway.  Above the staging point, the EC-2 will double the injector pulse width to the pair (trio in your case) of injectors that are still on.  If you turn off both sets of injectors, a hand will come out of the EC-2 and thump you on the head :-)

Fuel pressure reads 50 psi, TWM tells me it came to me preset at 43.5.  When the coolant temp read 125 when the pipes and rad tanks were just about too hot to touch, which I guessed to be more like 140.  I’m suspicious of just about every readout. Later when the WT read 140, the CHT TC that measure temps in and out of the rads were reading about 85.  I believed backup gauges were unnecessary.

Painful as it may be, you're going to have to verify all your EM-2 temps and pressures before you can believe them.  I mentioned before that my fuel pressure was 42, but read 59 on the latest EM-2 software.  It's reading correctly now that I've done some cal though. 

Oh yeah; the mixture bar reads just about full scale all the time, even when the engine is about to die from being too lean.  I have a different heated Bosch sensor, which I assumed would have the same 0-1volt range.  Maybe not.  Is the sensor output voltage low when lean or rich? 

This is something that I've bugged Tracy about pretty extensively.  Mine does the same thing yours does, and Tracy says his doesn't.  I used to use the old gauge that Tracy sold, and I've done some testing with it, and the EM-2 both connected (verified not to interfere with each other).  When the old gauge reads mid scale, the EM-2 is about 7-8 bars.  Since O2 sensors are supposed to put out 0-1V, mid scale should be .5V, so I made a variable voltage source, and used it to simulate the O2 sensor.  At .5V, the EM-2 read mid scale like it's supposed to, and the other gauge read below mid scale.  From that, I concluded that the EM-2 was doing what it was designed to do, but I can't explain why my "mid scale" mixture is well above mid scale on the EM-2.   I tried using a new sensor, of the same type others are using, and it made no difference.  Now that you have me thinking about this again, I just made a note to "fix" this in the calibration mode.   

Good luck.  Don't get discouraged.

Rusty (caught up)

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