Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #10793
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Engine run
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:44:29 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Al, sorry to hear about your trials and tribulations.  But, this group should be able to help you resolve them - by offering suggestions if nothing else.
 
Could you refresh my poor memory about your fuel set up.  How many injectors, what type (Low high impedance?) what size, where located? 
 
Yes, I can recall when I had first fired up my engine before I got a nice idle speed established.  The old Ross Drive sounded like a gasoline washing machine with all the clanking and banging - sounded like it was about to come to pieces.
 
I really don't think the 550 are the cause.  I have run with them and the only problem was  the engine was not quite as smooth as with the 460cc/min it was really not bad.  Certainly functional and flyable and that with a 2 rotor. 
 
2000 rpm and 13" sounds low to me, also, but then you have three rotor's "sucking" air out of the manifold rather than two.  So, I suppose it could hold the manifold pressure down a bit better.  I generally see somewhere around 15-17" at 2000.
 
I presume you EGT temps are Celsius?
 
I have a heated borsch O2 sensor as well and yes, it reads 0-1volt with 0 being lean and 1 being rich.  I presume its not one of those expensive so called "broad band" sensors that are used on some autos today?? They generally run close to $200 or more.
 
Anyhow, discouraging as it is right now, you know that having had it on the dyno there is nothing fundamentally wrong given the power it produced there.
 
 
So if you would bring me up to speed on the induction system, I'll hopefully be able to offer some suggestions
 
Ed
 
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Gietzen
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:14 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Engine run

I guess I have now done what I’d consider the first serious runs of the engine on the plane, and I have so many question marks in my head, it’s hard to know what to address next.

The biggest issue is; I cannot get smooth running up to about 2200 rpm; which is as far as I went.  At about 2000 I adjusted mixture from too lean to too rich, and nowhere does it smooth out completely – some roughness, mild surging.  At lower rpm, 1000 – 1500 it is quite rough and unsteady, which is disconcerting in itself, but worrisome when it goes through periods of torsional vibration with the reduction gear backlash, which is noisy and shakes the plane.

Of course it brings back the recent discussions of you other guys with the 550 injectors in the primary.  I kind of glossed over that because I recalled smooth running on the dyno.  In hindsight now, I think the operator figured out early-on that to keep it smooth he needed to keep some load on – just turn the load knob a little and it was fine.  And on the dyno when it wasn’t running smooth, no big deal – no redrive to backlash, and the engine is bolted down in the next room.  You could just hear that it wasn’t running smooth.

Still, I suspect something is different now; and perhaps you’ll indulge my dumping, and pass on a clue or two.

At 2000 I’m seeing a 13.1 MAP reading.  Seems low to me.  Is it? That puts it below the stage point, yet when I turned off the primary injectors, it continued to run; just rougher.  Same effect turning off the secondaries.  Hotest EGT was at about 1100, lowest about 980.  Bigger spread than I ever saw on the dyno runs, but the data we took there was always under higher load.

Fuel pressure reads 50 psi, TWM tells me it came to me preset at 43.5.  When the coolant temp read 125 when the pipes and rad tanks were just about too hot to touch, which I guessed to be more like 140.  I’m suspicious of just about every readout. Later when the WT read 140, the CHT TC that measure temps in and out of the rads were reading about 85.  I believed backup gauges were unnecessary.

Oh yeah; the mixture bar reads just about full scale all the time, even when the engine is about to die from being too lean.  I have a different heated Bosch sensor, which I assumed would have the same 0-1volt range.  Maybe not.  Is the sensor output voltage low when lean or rich?  With the engine off and sensor heated I measured .052 volts.  I tried to get a reading with the engine running, but all I got was about .025 and I can’t be certain I had contact with the lead – and with the prop spinning so close by I didn’t spend too much time trying.

One other major concern.  With hot oil (150) at the filter block where the feed goes to the redrive, the ¼” Al line to the redrive was hardly above ambient temp a minute or two after shutdown; suggesting little or no flow was going there.  Oil pressure was in the 90’s.  I’m not aware that there is an orifice in there.  This has me a bit baffled.

Oil pressure, coolant pressure, Oil temp seem fine.

Maybe I should go to a movie.

Al (not ecstatic)

 

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