Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.101] (HELO ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2) with ESMTP id 365252 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:04:03 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.101; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from EDWARD (cpe-069-132-183-211.carolina.rr.com [69.132.183.211]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i7F42VNs011475 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004801c4827c$b4cc4ce0$2402a8c0@EDWARD> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed's nightmare Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:02:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C4825B.2D865670" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C4825B.2D865670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageOk! I can do that - even got a supply of valve lapping compound - = although its from the days or reciprocating engines, seems to be less = use for it these days {:>). =20 Appreciate the tip, I know I won't need it. Rusty is just trying to get = me discourage so I won't give him a decent race. By the way, are folks = thinking about heading to SERFI this October? Ed Ed Anderson RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tracy Crook=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 11:51 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed's nightmare There's a 50 - 50 (or better ) chance that it will fit as is, but if = lapping is necessary, it is done by brushing valve lapping compound on = the splined parts and engaging & disengaging the splined parts using = rubber mallet or other non destructive method to work the parts into = shape. This is what I do here to mate a Ford damper spline that happens = to be on the small end of the spec to an input shaft. Tracy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 11:36 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed's nightmare Arrggg! Not good news! Have not yet tried to fit the new shaft = into the splines - its going to be even more of task to removing my = mounting plate as it is integrated with my front motor mount. Where did = I put that sand paper?? You're right no - new dampener plate. Lap the splines? Was it the = outside diameter that was too large or the teeth? If the Out side = diameter then lapping it might be the route to go for me - if you mean = each individual spline then - I think I want my B drive back (not - = really). =20 Well, I was going to wait until next weekend to get started, but now = I have to run out to the hanger during the week to see if the drive = shaft will fit. Thanks for the heads-up, Rusty Ed Ed Anderson RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Russell Duffy=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 11:09 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Ed's nightmare Greetings, I had a pretty productive day at the Rev-3 work session. The main = thing remaining is the spinner cutouts, which will be a new experience = for me, since I've somehow managed to always have spinners that were = pre-cut. Man that's one serious looking prop :-) Ed, I either lost a few hours to you, or gained a few days (or = more). My plan was to replace only the drive, and not remove the plate = or anything else. Unfortunately, my new input shaft wouldn't fit in the = old dampener splines. It was just too tight to try to make it go. Sure = enough, the old input shaft was a fairly loose fit in the new dampener = plate, so there is a difference. I ended up having to drain the cooling = system, remove the rads, remove the plate, and replace the dampener = plate. This was only a couple hour delay for me, but if your new input = shaft doesn't fit your old dampener plate, you're screwed, since you = don't have a new dampener plate. =20 I called Tracy, and he said Ford wasn't all that precise over the = years, and that it sounded like my old plate was on the tight side, and = the new plate was more normal. He chose to make the C drive input = shafts a snug fit, so it just won't work with my old dampener plate. I = hope you have better luck. He said it was possible to lap the splines = to fit, but wouldn't be worth the trouble for me, since I already had a = new one to install. The old one, being tight, is a better fit for my = old B drive anyway, so they might as well stay together. The B drive is = going to be for sale, BTW. =20 Cheers, Rusty (should be running, if not flying by Monday) ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C4825B.2D865670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Ok! I can do that - even got a supply of valve = lapping=20 compound - although its from the days or reciprocating engines, seems to = be less=20 use for it these days {:>). 
 
Appreciate the tip, I know I won't need it. = Rusty is just=20 trying to get me discourage so I won't give him a decent race.  By = the way,=20 are folks thinking about heading to SERFI this October?
 
Ed
 
 
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tracy = Crook
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 = 11:51=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed's=20 nightmare

There's a 50 - 50  (or better ) chance that it will fit as = is, but=20 if lapping is necessary, it is done by brushing valve lapping compound = on the=20 splined parts and engaging & disengaging the splined parts using = rubber=20 mallet or other non destructive method to work the parts into = shape. =20 This is what I do here to mate a Ford damper spline that happens = to be on=20 the small end of the spec to an input shaft.
 
Tracy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Anderson
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Saturday, August 14, = 2004 11:36=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed's = nightmare

Arrggg!  Not good news!  = Have not yet=20 tried to fit the new shaft into the splines - its going to be even = more of=20 task to removing my mounting plate as it is integrated with my front = motor=20 mount.  Where did I put that sand paper??
 
You're right no -  new = dampener=20 plate.  Lap the splines?  Was it the outside diameter that = was too=20 large or the teeth?  If the Out side diameter then lapping it = might be=20 the route to go for me - if you mean each individual spline = then=20 -  I think I want my B drive back (not - really).  =
 
Well, I was going to wait until = next weekend to=20 get started, but now I have to run out to the hanger during the week = to see=20 if the drive shaft will fit.  Thanks for the heads-up,=20 Rusty
 
Ed
 
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, = NC
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Russell Duffy
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Saturday, August 14, = 2004 11:09=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Ed's=20 nightmare

Greetings,
 
I had a = pretty=20 productive day at the Rev-3 work session.  The main = thing=20 remaining is the spinner cutouts, which will be a new experience = for me,=20 since I've somehow managed to always have spinners that were=20 pre-cut.  Man that's one serious looking prop = :-)
 
Ed, I = either lost a=20 few hours to you, or gained a few days (or more).  My plan=20 was to replace only the drive, and not remove the plate or = anything=20 else.  Unfortunately, my new input shaft wouldn't fit in the = old=20 dampener splines.  It was just too tight to try to = make=20 it go.  Sure enough, the old input shaft was a fairly = loose fit=20 in the new dampener plate, so there is a difference.  I ended = up=20 having to drain the cooling system, remove the rads, = remove the=20 plate, and replace the dampener plate.  This was only a = couple hour=20 delay for me, but if your new input shaft doesn't fit your old=20 dampener plate, you're screwed, since you don't have a = new=20 dampener plate. 
 
I called Tracy,=20 and he said Ford wasn't all that precise over the years, = and=20 that it sounded like my old plate was on the tight side, and = the new=20 plate was more normal.  He chose to make the C = drive input=20 shafts a snug fit, so it just won't work with my old dampener=20 plate.  I hope you have better=20 luck.  He said it was possible to lap the = splines=20 to fit, but wouldn't be worth the trouble for me, since I = already had=20 a new one to install.  The old one, being tight, is a = better fit=20 for my old B drive anyway, so they might as well stay = together.  The=20 B drive is going to be for sale, = BTW.  
 
Cheers,
Rusty = (should be=20 running, if not flying by=20 = Monday) 
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