Return-Path: Received: from [216.8.74.9] (HELO mail.hansoninfosys.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2) with SMTP id 350997 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 16:27:49 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.8.74.9; envelope-from=dvanwinkle@royell.net Received: (qmail 19091 invoked by uid 89); 3 Aug 2004 20:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dv) (216.89.133.186) by 0 with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 20:27:16 -0000 Message-ID: <00bd01c47998$e3e76880$800010ac@royell.net> From: "Dean" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fittings for Tracys Fuel Pumps Was Re: Fuel Filter Part Number Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:31:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C4796E.EEC0E940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C4796E.EEC0E940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Al Tracy and others had all said 10-1 metric fittings so I was surprised = when mine were different. I neglected to mention that I obtained the = fittings from the Earl's Indianapolis office and yes they are listed for = Weber carburetors. Thanks for all your comments Dean ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Al Gietzen=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 12:00 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fittings for Tracys Fuel Pumps Was Re: Fuel = Filter Part Number Dean; Not questioning that your pumps have 5/16 - 24 threads, just = mentioning that Tracy also provided pumps with 10-1 metric threaded barb = fittings. We know he has sold different pumps, and I'm sure = manufacturers provide both metric and British measures. The 10 - 1 metric to AN-6 adapter is a standard carburetor fitting. I = think Earl's has them, and perhaps also Baker precision. Al Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fittings for Tracys Fuel Pumps Was Re: Fuel = Filter Part Number Al, Mark, and Scott The pumps that I received from Tracy had a fixed 5/16 hose barb on the = inlet and a 5/16-24 threaded brass hose barb for the outlet. A 5/16-24 = bolt was a perfect fit in the outlet. A 10MMx1.0 bolt would not even = start to engage the threads in the pump because the max thread dia was = too large and the matching metric nut was sloppy on the brass hose barb. = The US thread pitch was 24/inch and the metric 1.0 is 25.4/inch. With = the 991953 fitting only engaging approx 5/16 inch, and the metric thread = being a larger diameter, I felt that I would have sufficient good thread = engagement for a sound joint. Perhaps I overlooked it in the Pegasus = catalog, but I was unable to find an AN6 to 10-1 metric fitting there. I = have purchased other AN fittings there as well as ready made cross-over = brake hoses with metallic braid for my dual brake installation to = replace Van's plastic lines. I think that my experience just shows, = once again, the variation in pumps supplied by the National Aviation = Parts Association (:>)}. I am installing Earl's HP 35 micron bronze = fuel filters (obtained from Wicks) down stream of the pumps and coupling = them with AN6 to AN6 Female Swivel Couplings from Pegasus. Dean ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Al Gietzen=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 9:11 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fittings for Tracys Fuel Pumps Was Re: Fuel = Filter Part Number The pumps I got from Tracy had 10-1 metric threads, both ends. Al Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fittings for Tracys Fuel Pumps Was Re: Fuel = Filter Part Number Dean, I may be wrong here, but I believe the threads are metric... 10mm if = I'm correct. It is very close to the 5/16-24, but not a perfect fit. = They sell a 10mm x 1.0 to AN adapter. See: = http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pdfs/069.pdf =20 Mark At 09:20 PM 8/2/2004 -0500, you wrote: Mark and Scott The NAPA pumps that I purchased from Tracy were marked Carter = 2H26A380 and the screw in barb adapter was a 5/16-24 thread. I was unable to = find any source of 5/16 to AN6 adapters. I obtained the Earl's 991953 = fittings which came with soft aluminum seal washers. Using a 23/64 drill and both = standard and bottoming 10mm-1.0 taps, I was able to cut several almost = complete threads to match the Earl's fittings. After removing any trace of = cuttings and carefully smoothing the pump face, I installed the fittings = using the aluminum washers and fuel lube on the threads. They torqued up well = but I haven't had a chance to leak check them yet. Dean Van Winkle RV-9A Fuselage/Finish '89 13B NA, RD-1B, EC2, EM2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "marc" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 6:53 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fittings for Tracys Fuel Pumps Was Re: Fuel = Filter Part Number > I've always wondered why almost ALL cars never use AN fittings and = their > fuel lines seldom leak. Somehow, with the number of cars on the = road > that are fi, I think AN fuel lines are a waste, (if you do it = right, > using the right clamps and lines!). > > Marc Wiese > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > On > > Behalf Of Scott > > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 6:41 PM > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fittings for Tracys Fuel Pumps Was Re: = Fuel > > Filter Part Number > > > > >> > > >>I have Tracy's fuel pumps as well, and I have a note > > that says the fittings to convert those to > > >>AN-6 are Earl's 991953. These are metric 10mm x > > 1.0P to AN-6. > > > > I too purchased Tracy's pumps. The one's sent came > > from NAPA marked as 3f27a380 purchased from Tracy in > > November 2003. The screw in barb adapter on the high > > pressure side of the pump is 3/8" with 24TPI. > > > > Though oddly enough the ID of the tube is 7/32. Not > > 1/4 and not 3/16. Interesting... > > > > Regards... > > -Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > >> Archive: = http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C4796E.EEC0E940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Al
 
Tracy and others had all said 10-1 = metric fittings=20 so I was surprised when mine were different. I neglected to mention that = I=20 obtained the fittings from the Earl's Indianapolis office and yes they = are=20 listed for Weber carburetors.  Thanks for all your = comments
 
Dean
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Al = Gietzen=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 = 12:00=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Fittings for=20 Tracys Fuel Pumps Was Re: Fuel Filter Part Number

Dean;

 

Not questioning that = your pumps=20 have 5/16 =96 24 threads, just mentioning that Tracy also=20 provided pumps with 10-1 metric threaded barb fittings.  We know = he has=20 sold different pumps, and I=92m sure manufacturers provide both metric = and=20 British measures.

 

The 10 =96 1 metric to = AN-6=20 adapter is a standard carburetor fitting.  I think Earl=92s has = them, and=20 perhaps also Baker precision.

 

Al

 

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Fittings for Tracys Fuel=20 Pumps Was Re: Fuel Filter Part Number

 

Al, Mark, and=20 Scott

 

The pumps that I = received from=20 Tracy had a=20 fixed 5/16 hose barb on the inlet and a 5/16-24 threaded brass hose = barb for=20 the outlet.  A 5/16-24 bolt was a perfect fit in the = outlet.  A=20 10MMx1.0 bolt would not even start to engage the threads in the pump = because=20 the max thread dia was too large and the matching metric nut was = sloppy=20 on the brass hose barb. The US thread = pitch was=20 24/inch and the metric 1.0 is 25.4/inch.  With the 991953 fitting = only=20 engaging approx 5/16 inch, and the metric thread being a larger = diameter,=20 I felt that I would have sufficient good thread engagement for a sound = joint.  Perhaps I overlooked it in the Pegasus catalog, but I was = unable=20 to find an AN6 to 10-1 metric fitting there. I have purchased other AN = fittings there as well as ready made cross-over brake = hoses with=20 metallic braid for my dual brake installation to replace Van's plastic = lines.  I think that my experience just shows, once again, the = variation=20 in pumps supplied by the National Aviation Parts Association = (:>)}.  I=20 am installing Earl's HP 35 micron bronze fuel filters (obtained from = Wicks)=20 down stream of the pumps and coupling them with AN6 to AN6 Female = Swivel=20 Couplings from Pegasus.

 

Dean

----- Original Message = -----=20

From: Al = Gietzen=20

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Sent:=20 Tuesday, August 03,=20 2004 9:11=20 AM

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Fittings for Tracys Fuel=20 Pumps Was Re: Fuel Filter Part Number

 

The=20 pumps I got from Tracy had = 10-1 metric=20 threads, both ends.

 

Al

 

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Fittings for Tracys Fuel=20 Pumps Was Re: Fuel Filter Part Number

 

Dean,
I may=20 be wrong here, but I believe the threads are metric... 10mm if I'm=20 correct.  It is very close to the 5/16-24, but not a perfect = fit. =20 They sell a 10mm x 1.0 to AN adapter.  See: http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pdfs/069.pdf = ;=20

Mark

At 09:20 PM 8/2/2004 -0500, you = wrote:

Mark and Scott

The=20 NAPA pumps that I purchased from Tracy were marked = Carter=20 2H26A380 and
the screw in barb adapter was a 5/16-24 = thread.  I was=20 unable to find any
source of 5/16 to AN6 adapters.  I = obtained the=20 Earl's 991953 fittings which
came with soft aluminum seal = washers. =20 Using a 23/64 drill and both standard
and bottoming 10mm-1.0 = taps, I was=20 able to cut several almost complete
threads to match the Earl's=20 fittings.  After removing any trace of cuttings
and = carefully=20 smoothing the pump face, I installed the fittings using = the
aluminum=20 washers and fuel lube on the threads. They torqued up well but = I
haven't=20 had a chance to leak check them yet.

Dean Van Winkle
RV-9A = Fuselage/Finish  '89 13B NA, RD-1B, EC2, EM2


----- = Original=20 Message -----
From: "marc" <cardmarc@charter.net>
To: = "Rotary=20 motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: = Thursday,=20 July 29, 2004 6:53 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fittings for = Tracys Fuel=20 Pumps Was Re: Fuel Filter
Part Number


> I've always = wondered why almost ALL cars never use AN fittings and their
> = fuel=20 lines seldom leak. Somehow, with the number of cars on the = road
> that=20 are fi, I think AN fuel lines are a waste, (if you do it = right,
>=20 using the right clamps and lines!).
>
> Marc=20 Wiese
>
>
> > -----Original = Message-----
> >=20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
> = On
>=20 > Behalf Of Scott
> > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 6:41 = PM
> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Fittings for Tracys Fuel Pumps Was Re: Fuel
> = >=20 Filter Part Number
> >
> > >> = <snip>
>=20 > >>I have Tracy's fuel pumps as well, and I have a = note
>=20 > that says the fittings to convert those to
> > = >>AN-6=20 are Earl's 991953.  These are metric 10mm x
> > 1.0P = to=20 AN-6.
> >
> > I too purchased Tracy's pumps.  = The=20 one's sent came
> > from NAPA marked as 3f27a380 purchased = from=20 Tracy in
> > November 2003. The screw in barb adapter on = the=20 high
> > pressure side of the pump is 3/8" with = 24TPI.
>=20 >
> > Though oddly enough the ID of the tube is = 7/32. =20 Not
> > 1/4 and not 3/16.  Interesting...
> = >
>=20 > Regards...
> > -Scott
> >
> = >
>=20 >
> >
> >
> >
> >=20 __________________________________
> > Do you = Yahoo!?
> >=20 New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage!
> > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
>=20 >
> > >>  Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
> > = >> =20 Archive:   http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html=
>
>
>
>=20 >>  Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
> = >> =20 Archive:   http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html=
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